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  • 5/6/2013
A while back I was really interested in getting an Evo X MR. However, one of the biggest qualms I had was that the MR trim wasn't available in a 6-speed manual!  I mean, a manual transmission literally was one of the last remaining pure "enthusiast" and non-electronic control component of cars left. And now they're taking it away on high-end sport vehicles. 

I understand that these new twin-clutch "sportronic shift systems" are WAY faster than a human ever could be, but are those extra tenths off your time worth giving up a manual?
  • 5/7/2013
I feel your pain man. Unfortunately a lot of car manufactures are going to the double clutch style transmission. I guess it's become more of a safety issues now. You have both hands on the steering wheel instead of just one. Even the legendary sports car builder Porsche is doing away with the manual transmission in their top end models. The new 911 GT3 and Turbo now have Porsche's 7 speed PDK transmission as the only available transmission.
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  • 5/7/2013
Yeah man that's a good point. Have any manufacturers actually come out and said that it's a liability issue? I see what you're saying though... But in the eyes of the manufacturers, manuals have been around for so long that I think it would be  hard case to prove liability. Wonder if it's a cost effective thing... 
  • 5/8/2013
I know Porsche has stated that their PDK transmission can shift faster than a person can. That's why they made it as the only transmission available in the GT3 and Turbo.  Nice thing is though, the standard 911 Carrera still comes with the worlds only 7 speed manual transmission as standard equipment. I read an interesting article not to long ago  for why the manual transmission is still  the better transmission.  The article stated that teenagers are less likely to be distracted while driving a car with a manual transmission because they will be paying more attention to having to shift through the gears while driving. Thus keeping them from talking on the phone and texting while driving. Preventing them from causing serious accidents. I guess car companies think differently though. I guess the whole liability issue could be, no manual transmission, no Fast and Furious style street racing, and no major accidents and loss of life.
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  • 5/8/2013
I think its less of a safety issue and more of the trickle down effect. F1 has had paddleshifters for many years now. At first the high end autos started having them as an option, but now they are pretty common place. If I am truly racing, I don't want to think about taking time to clutch shift, clutch rev match shift. I want to be able to concentrate on exactly when to dive into a turn exactly when I need to start braking, where the guy behind me is at trying to pass me etc. It's the main reason why when I race my bike, I try to keep the shifts to a maximum of 2 per lap. 

For the Evo, it could also be Mitsubishi paying attention to what the end users are doing to the cars. The paddle shift is basically an automatic (possibly twinclutch) without the transmission control unit. Mitsubishi kind of built themselves into a corner with the transaxle layout. There is only so much room in the case to beef their gearsets up for higher power, where in an automatic the planetary gearsets can take far much more abuse, plus since the auto even though they have lightening quick shifts, actually create less stress on the rest of the drive components than someone beating the crap out of a manual so there is less breakage there as well... At least this is the reason I am switching to an automatic DSM. 
  • 5/8/2013
People are always giving me shit because my Tiburon has an automatic. What they don't realize is that it also has sport shift as well. I can be in automatic, have some punk ass prick in his Honda Civic with his 4 inch grapefruit cannon of an exhaust pipe roll up next to me, start revving the shit out of his engine, the whole time this is happening, I put my shifter over into sport shift and wait for the light to change. When the light goes green, I let him get the jump on me, let my engine rev to 5,500-6,000 rpms, up shift into 1st gear and smoke his ass.  Eventually blowing his ass away in 2nd gear.

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  • 5/9/2013
Originally posted by drxlcarfreak
I think its less of a safety issue and more of the trickle down effect. F1 has had paddleshifters for many years now. At first the high end autos started having them as an option, but now they are pretty common place. If I am truly racing, I don't want to think about taking time to clutch shift, clutch rev match shift. I want to be able to concentrate on exactly when to dive into a turn exactly when I need to start braking, where the guy behind me is at trying to pass me etc. It's the main reason why when I race my bike, I try to keep the shifts to a maximum of 2 per lap. 

For the Evo, it could also be Mitsubishi paying attention to what the end users are doing to the cars. The paddle shift is basically an automatic (possibly twinclutch) without the transmission control unit. Mitsubishi kind of built themselves into a corner with the transaxle layout. There is only so much room in the case to beef their gearsets up for higher power, where in an automatic the planetary gearsets can take far much more abuse, plus since the auto even though they have lightening quick shifts, actually create less stress on the rest of the drive components than someone beating the crap out of a manual so there is less breakage there as well... At least this is the reason I am switching to an automatic DSM. 
That's a great point... race tech that's making its way into consumer vehicles. 



but back to the original question - if you were given the choice of 6-speed or paddle, which would you choose for a DD? and why
  • 5/13/2013
Haha, looks like I missed the original question. Well for me, I am getting tired of the heavy clutch and hard drivability at low speeds in the city, so for a high powered DD I would say paddle shifters... Man I am getting old, I used to say the only way I would drive an auto is if I physically cannot drive a manual anymore. 
  • 5/13/2013
hahaha. Looks like you're getting old! I guess one thing that I haven't really experienced yet is a "heavy" clutch as a result of a ton of power. My little Volvo with its stock clutch isn't too hard to work with ha. But I think that's what my stance on the question is - if it's a high-powered performance-oriented purpose-built track machine, then I would prefer to have paddle shifters. Anything else, I'm a manual man! Now to go and swap the fwifey's Edge into manual lol
  • 5/13/2013
Haha, maybe it is just this east coast traffic that is getting to me. Haha, a manual Edge? Idk if I can help with that one!
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